A landscape from the Maniototo district of Central Otago, a province in New Zealand c 2007 Tony Bridge. Click for a larger image.
Several months ago, I was approached by New Zealand photographer Tony Bridge, who had read some of my writing here and asked if I might be interested in having a conversation with him about art and life. Although we live halfway around the world from each other, we discovered we're both in midlife, neither young nor old; that we're both professionals who juggle demanding schedules and deadlines (he as photographer, I as a graphic designer) with our personal artistic pursuits; and that we share a lifelong inner artistic search, trying to push ourselves to do the best work we can but also to integrate it with our lives as a whole. Tony and I both seek to understand what we are doing and why; to learn from this path more about what it means to be human; and to use whatever abilities we have developed to contribute to the world in some way. However, we don't know each other well at all yet, so this conversation, which we will both be posting on our blogs, is likely to be an exploration of art and also the unfolding of a friendship. And, taking advantage of the blog form to expand on what would normally be only a two-way communication, we warmly invite and welcome your comments and questions.
January 29, 2008, Montreal
Dear Tony,
Happy New Year, very much belated! I hope you will forgive my tardiness; I've
been very consumed with professional work which has had tight deadlines, and
with family. But I've been turning our conversation over in my head and
thinking about where we might begin a more public dialog.
I keep going back to your photographs themselves - those breathtaking images of
"your beloved Maniototo" which stunned me with their beauty. Perhaps
we might begin there, and talk about the challenge of beauty itself for the
artist, whether in words (for me, primarily) or images (for you). How can a
21st-century artist approach this concept of the beautiful in a fresh way,
trying to convey what it arouses in us without creating something that is
saccharine or hackneyed, something that goes beyond "calendar art?"
I experience beauty as a primary inspiration and source of hope, but I realize
that it is dangerous material in my hands, with the potential to distort my
words into something I did not mean, something untruthful -- because it is
incomplete without the sense of being seen through the soul of a person who has
lived and experienced the unbeautiful, the terrible, the utterly Other. Beauty
without this poignancy is not fully felt, to me.
But what do you think?
-Beth
February 18, 2008, New Zealand
Hello Beth:
Like you, the last six weeks have been a wild rollercoaster of a ride. Perhaps the analogy of the surfer, riding the Bondi pipeline, is a more accurate metaphor. At times, I have felt as if I was rushing down the side of the wave, barely in control, with a vast wall of water looming above me, with meeting client deadlines the light at the end of the tunnel. At any time, I could lose control, and then everything would cave in. Frankly, it hasn't been a necessarily pleasant experience! Fortunately, I seem to have stayed on my board (mostly) and I'm coming out of this somewhat terrifying experience. So, in the time available to me for before I head to the North Island, I thought I would begin our discussion.
It's probably an appropriate place to start, the idea of how an artist deals with the issue of beauty. It brought me back to my artist statement, which you can read here. In many ways the statement, which I wrote during a long dark night of the soul in Africa, has proved to be a profound and anchoring thing for me. It was as if all the roads which I have travelled in my lifetime came together. I arose around 4 a.m., in the liquid blackness of an African night, a blackness punctuated by the strange and alien noises of the creatures that move in it, and after stepping outside for 10 minutes or so to confront it and smoke a cigarette, the penny, as they say, fell into place. A strange compulsion had come upon me, a kind of road to Damascus experience, and even though I knew I needed the sleep, my mind wouldn't let me, and held me by the scruff of the neck until it was done (about an hour and a half later). Then I collapsed for another hour or so before it was time to rise and go back to the workshop I was assisting.
I think that writing one's artist statement is a very defining experience. I know it certainly was for me. It had brought together all the experiences of my life, and in some strange way gave clarity to what I had been doing, and an indication of the road ahead. It is the thing I visit whenever I am uncertain of the path I am following, a kind of lighthouse to remind me where I am.
You see, whenever I revisit it, it is as if I am looking at myself in the mirror, reminding myself of who I am. And why I am.
Perhaps I can start there.
Over the years I suppose I have journeyed in and out of the different rooms that comprise photography. I've turned my hand to documentary, to landscape, and portraiture and wedding photography. I have even, on the odd occasion, shot sport or natural history. In those times I was really seeking to build my skills and a variety of different photographic areas. You see, all those rooms have interconnecting doors. Over time, as I worked my way up the spiral from beginner to wherever I am now, I have revisited those things again and again and again, each time trying to add something new to my photographic vocabulary. I suppose, over time, I have acquired a certain facility. None of that, however, is really worth anything of itself. I think it was Edward Weston who said that there is nothing worse than the technically brilliant execution of a fuzzy concept. In the end, possessing all the tools/toys and having the skills to work for them to their potential is of minimal value. Adding something to the sum total of human experience is.
I reached a point about 15 years ago where I realised that while my photographs were technically sound, the concepts were fuzzy. It was a frightening realisation, but a necessary one. I had reached that point where, if one is both lucky and blessed, one comes to realise that photography for its own sake is of little or no consequence. I realised that, for all my knowledge, the humble snapshot had a greater intrinsic value than any of my Ansel Adams like landscapes. I mean, why photograph the landscape anyway? The original is infinitely superior and far more perfect. Who was I to mimic God's creation? And so, for a time, I journeyed through the Slough of Despond. For a time, I wondered whether the 15 years I had invested in learning photography had been a pointless journey down some cul-de-sac.
Then I read a book of Sam Abell's work. In it, he talks about reaching a point where he really didn't know what whether he wanted to continue in photography or not. It was only when he read a book on Japanese garden design that he realised the art of photography lies in framing. This realisation gave the impetus to pick up his camera again and continue on.
It wasn't quite like that for me. It took me some time to realise that running into this brick wall, and having to confront the question of the point of photography, while difficult, was actually a gift.
Not long after that, I went out for an evening walk, at a time when the city had settled and pulled the duvet up around its ears, and the night air didn't seem quite so cluttered by the business of human consciousness. It was time to walk, reflect, and think. They say that angels talk to a man when he walks, and for me the night has always been a peculiarly profitable time for doing this.
As I walked to the end of our cul-de-sac, I happened to look up. There, suspended on the sky before me in all its glory, hung a gloriously liquid full moon. On the telephone poll above me, in the glare from the street lights, several moths danced and circled and paid homage to the demigod. I stood entranced, enraptured by a site that for all its simplicity was incredibly complex and somehow perfect. As the Moth Song continued, I wondered how I could possibly capture its beauty so that others could share what I was beholding. I wondered how many other people had stood at the end of their cul-de-sac and watched moths dancing in the moonlight. I realised I had been given yet another gift. Somehow, this small event was a symbol, a leitmotif for all that is wonderful in nature.
I returned home and lay in bed with the moths still dancing in my mind. As I did so, I thought back to my boyhood in the wonder of the trees in the forests where I grew up. They were my friends, my secret companions and the source of my boyhood imaginings. I realised then, that photography can be a sort of visual shorthand, and that the popularity of the image lies in its ability to summarise, to say in the 60th of the second what might require more time and words. Those moths dancing in the moonlight was a moment that can be laid down in an image, yet require a novel to convey. Small wonder then that imagery is increasingly replacing text. I suspect however that is a topic for a future letter!
Once you realise the power of this incredible tool, the camera, you realise you have the facility to do great good or to do great evil. In other words, to be human.
As I pondered it, I realised that I could easily take on a documentary project that exposed the harsh underbelly of life in my city. I could photograph derelicts and street people and those hard done by on the outer edge of society. But to what purpose? While this might give me some sort of false sense of doing something for the greater good, using my talents, would I, by going down this road, really be adding anything to the sum total of human experience?
You see, for me, that is a matter of primary importance. It is easy to take, it is easy to live a life of consumption, it is easy to absorb the planet's resources with little thought for our tamariki, our children. If I appear somewhat didactic, I make no apology. Caring for the planet and looking to the needs of those who will follow is of great importance to me. And because I have some facility with photography, it is my responsibility to use it, to try and make a difference.
So do I draw attention to the ugly, to the hateful, to the distressing? I can, for I have that right, should I choose to exercise it. But do I want to? Will I, by making images of pollution or destruction and holding them up in the mirror of mankind, add anything to the sum total of human experience? Does a shock value have any lasting effect?
I suppose I thought these things over for a year or so. And then I remembered. I remembered the moths in the moonlight, I remembered the trees whispering outside my bedroom as a boy, and I made my choice.
It is easy to be tired, to be visually banal. It is easy to decorate the surface of the chocolate box, to be formulaic. I could easily stand on the side of a hill in the late afternoon, waiting for sunset, with a gravel road meandering gently into the distance, and sheep winding slowly o'er the lea. There are plenty of books that will help me to achieve this kind of result. There are plenty of competitions that will teach me the techniques and approaches I need to be successful at this type of photography. Is it however little more than the type of photography that says “I stood there, I photographed that, with a romantic mood is thrown in?”
I think our greatest resource in any form of artistic endeavour is ourselves. In the end, all artistic works are autobiographical. As you know, the theme is critical, and for a visual artist, self-knowledge is of the utmost importance. Of course self-knowledge is not some kind of absolute, some readily package-able and easily-defined quality. It is a shape-shifter, sometimes a chimera, and endless journey to a destination that is only ever of whistlestop. If we are lucky. Beauty is a terrifying and demanding mistress, but she is no absolute; she is as we perceive her. And I believe that beauty exists in each and every one of us, that moths dance in the moonlight of every human being's heart.
So to my landscape photography. If I am to see the intrinsic beauty in this scene, I believe I have to come to it with an open mind and, more importantly, an open heart. I have come to realise that my journey through photography has not been a process of learning, rather it has been a process of un-learning. To see what is intrinsically beautiful, I have to learn to see it as for the first time, rather than be a Miss Havisham, surrounded by the dusty relics of a lifetime's memories. And therein lies the challenge.
I suppose I have always had a fondness for aging knights on rusty horses, in search of windmill dragons.
-Tony
I suppose I should say something, at least given I know Tony and share similar landscapes here in Aotearoa. I even photograph them sometimes, although I find them inordinately difficult. Unfortunately, I suffer from the Rushdie syndrome, which is the desire to disagree with what I've said as soon as I've said it. But, I'll offer two hypotheses. First, any substantial conclusion about landscape (or any) photography remains unconvincing unless arrived at by the individual — in other words, unless I work it out (or at least think it through thoroughly) for myself, it carries little weight. Second, as one studies and thinks about landscapes, photographs without some kind of "edge" (for example, a feeling of uneasiness) become increasingly less satisfactory; one becomes increasingly likely to label them nature porn, or eco-porn (Dave kicked off a good discussion about this recently: www.vianegativa.us/2008/01/10/manifest-oh ). Note, I'm NOT saying the only good landscapes are those illustrating some kind of environmental degradation. I wish I could identify the "edginess" I'm thinking of, but I can't, other than to say that grandeur, magnificence, and sheer beauty are seldom enough.
Posted by: pohanginapete | February 18, 2008 at 09:19 PM
Pete:
Many thanks for that. do you feel comfortable posting it to my ezine?
I do not find them inordinately difficult. At all. I now know why I do it.I am certain. I am just raking up the courage to expose that aspect of me online.
Why not hit me with the question, so I have no corner to back into?
arohanui
Posted by: tony bridge | February 19, 2008 at 01:32 AM
Thanks, Pete. I appreciate the comment and am glad someone brought this point up - maybe Dave will chime in too. I tend to agree with you about the edginess being necessary -- for me, anyway - and also that our response to what we want to see and feel in our own work is always personal. I' ll have more to say about this when I reply to Tony's letter, since I used to be a painter, and landscapes were a favorite subject.
Posted by: beth | February 19, 2008 at 09:49 AM
As a matter of fact, probably we should all pause and read the discussion at Via Negativa that Pete refers to before going further - what a lot of searching comments, not only on "eco-porn" but on artist statements as well, and on how individual our response to beauty in nature really is. (http://www.vianegativa.us/2008/01/10/manifest-oh)
Posted by: beth | February 19, 2008 at 09:59 AM
Interesting. I look forward to your continued conversation. I read this account of the genesis of some art and thought of you both.
Posted by: rr | February 19, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Creek Running North also had a good discussion of nature photography recently, though it dealt more with wildlife than landscape photography. Rana's comment was particularly valuable, I thought.
Posted by: Dave | February 19, 2008 at 05:05 PM
A number of years ago when I brought in my photography portfolio to a stock agency here in Japan my photos were rejected on the grounds that they were "too busy. Western photography is always too busy," the art director told me. His comment had merit, of course, since at that time, and still today, I have a lot of learning to do with my compositions and understanding of photography. But the comment has always bothered me. When I looked at the agency's gallery of photos it occurred to me that they always followed the same rote formula of canceling out anything extraneous in the image and creating a false view of what a place was all about. "Wabi sabi" as the Japanese call it. Of course, all photography is a choice, a selection of what you choose to see and a reduction of elements limited within the frame of the camera's rectangular plate, but you have to ask yourself if it is the truth when, for instance you present a lovely view of a tree in a field, but just ten meters to the side stands a huge billboard. It reminds me of a walk I took with a Japanese friend along the south flank of Mt. Fuji. There was so much garbage on the ground that I couldn't relax and immerse myself in the place, constantly getting irritated by the attitude that people before us held toward the place. My friend walked calmly on, telling me, "Just look at the nature. Don't look at the garbage." Typically a Japanese view of things and it seems to bring them a lot of peace, but at the same time they seem to fail to see the whole, seeking instead to see what they prefer to see.
So what is the truth? I( suspect it is close to what Pete describes, the uneasiness. Perhaps an understanding and an acceptance that beauty has something to do with death.
Posted by: miguel | February 20, 2008 at 02:46 PM
Very interesting, Miguel. I know I would've come home from that trip with probably 300 photos of trailside litter.
Posted by: Dave | February 20, 2008 at 03:06 PM
Hi Dave,
There was one instance when I returned from a long walk in the mountains and I must have been the last person in the area, trudging down the trail as the last light failed. In the dimness, walking among cedars, I saw ahead of me a strange sight, the black floor of the forest covered with thousands of white, glowing fragments of...something. Stepping closer I realized that the entire floor of this area of the woods was strewn with sheet upon sheet upon sheet of carefully arranged pages from porn magazines, each page with a photo of a naked woman floating in the darkness. It was weird, ugly, enticing, disturbing, beautiful, and strangely magical. If only I could have figured out how to photograph it, but the light was too low and I had no tripod. So it remains a memory. But garbage and porn can be natural and beautiful, too!
Posted by: miguel | February 20, 2008 at 03:29 PM
Now that has to be a new level of "installation art"! It's always good to see you here, Miguel - thanks a lot for these comments and for enlarging the discussion to include yet another culture.
Clearly, denial is a factor in our experience of beauty in nature, and that's becoming a worldwide phenomenon, not confined to industrialized areas - apparently even in the Himalayas garbage is a problem. This reminds me of some photos I saw in a magazine that were "zoomed out" views of political photo-ops: basically the photos the world saw in the media were set-ups, with small crowds, for instance, that had been photographed to look like a huge multitude. Reality can be easily manipulated, even without resorting to PhotoShop - just move the camera to one side or crop the photo carefully. But this also brings up the importance of being able to find beauty without insisting on a pristine experience - for example, in the city. I'm a country girl now living in a big city, near a large park, where I've had to re-learn a lot about looking and finding and experiencing natural beauty. Sometimes it's easier than others.
Posted by: beth | February 20, 2008 at 04:13 PM
Thanks for this conversation!
"If beauty were to be discovered in Denver, it had to be on the basis of a radical faith in inclusion."
-- Robert Adams
Posted by: Bill | February 20, 2008 at 09:56 PM