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March 06, 2011

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So, so inspiring, Beth! I love the concept of re-prioritizing, and this is a fantastic reminder about creating success through working on what is significant. It's interesting how this was only a 2 year period in his life, full of experimentation and in-betweenness. It shows a patience with process that I admire.

Thank you so much for this Beth. Very inspiring.

Oh you are SO right Beth!
I am especially in agreement about the sources of 'inspiration' which is a theme that runs through my life like a bright thread woven in a tapestry - expose yourself to new experiences, see new images, listen to new voices, surround yourself with art, literature, music and science. That is the way to exercise the brain and to open up the channels of creativity. That is the way to evolve and grow.

PS. I thought about you on Saturday...
Sitting in a pub that was a former chapel amongst a group of strangers all present for the same purpose (sword dancing), there were so many 'unique faces', so many unusual people, I thought "I wonder how Beth would sketch that person?" and that led me to seeing them from a different perspective and longing to grab a pen and paper. And I am no artist believe me!
See how we all influence each other!

What amazing sketches. Both these people look like they could come from another age as easily as this one.

And what wise and honest and lovely reflections. I think it must be very painful and frustrating sometimes to be as multitalented as you are - as you say, there will always, necessarily, be a potential unfulfilled, one choice cutting off another, or no choice made meaning no path explored as fully as it might be.

And, well, creative talent does seem to wreak havoc in lives, doesn't it? as well as bringing enormous fulfilment to the creator and enrichment to others. Just as love wreaks havoc, and beauty...

Thank you for sharing this so wonderfully well, and for not giving up on the whole wonderful mess of it all.

One of the keys to Picasso's success was that he ruthlessly used women.

Yes, yes and yes.

This is very timely. Thank you, Beth.

Uma, thank you for writing. I'm glad if it gave you something worthwhile - I've struggled with these issues for a long time!

Hi Julie -- and thanks for your comments, I know you think this way too!! But I'm especially happy to hear that you thought of me and of sketching in that pub, that's wonderful. Next time, grab a napkin and a pen and make some lines...who cares what the result is, so much of the time it's just the fact that we respond - n'est-ce pas?

Thanks, Jean, yes it is a wonderful mess! And has been quite painful and confusing at times, but I seem to be less caught in that as I get older...

Hattie - Of course that's true about Picasso. In the original essay I had a line or two about that but took them out, perhaps I should have left them in. What I wanted to focus on here was his work habit and obsessive determination, day after day. Living with him --as it is with a lot of driven, arrogant, manipulative artists -- was hell for the women. He's probably not the best example because of the very dark side of his creativity, but it was what I had at hand...Thanks for the comment, it's an important one --

Parmanu - thank you.

Wonderful and inspiring post, Beth, with so much that is true for me too! I think as artists we sometimes have to give something up in order to have enough time for it, or else we make compromises. With a husband, a family, looking after parents some years, I had to give up piano and do less art but I was determined not to give it up entirely during the hardest years. I am not a 'success' in the sense of a Picasso (if only I'd had many wives, heh) but I'm content and happy with my life. Sometimes I scold myself for not being more ambitious and going after more exhibitions and sales and all that, but it's just not my thing, I guess. Now what to do with all the work I'm storing and still making, hmm? Anyway, as you know, your last paragraph rings so true for me too!

I'm with Hannah and Jean: inspiring and encouraging for others stuck within 'the whole wonderful mess of it all'. Thanks, Beth, for the clarity and passion of this.

Beth, I too identify very much with all of what you said. The thing about Picasso (and other artists with a similar one-track mind) is that he was obsessed with making art from the age of about 12 and never stopped being obsessed right up until his death. So, yes, he got a lot done and much of it was great work, but everything else in his life, relationships included, was subordinate to this obsession, whether he was poor or mega-wealthy. I don't think it's possible to manufacture such obsessiveness if one isn't born with it so while I too berate myself for my 'slouchiness' I know that I never took that obsessive road and it's very unlikely (okay, impossible) that I'll take it at this late date. But I do sort of envy it - that Picassoesque egocentric one-trackmindedness,even if it's hell for those who come too close!
Love your sketches, full of life and verve!

Natalie, thanks for the comment...As for me, it's been a question of priorities, and kindness and love for those close to me have always come first. I'm sort of sorry I've lacked that kind of focus, but I think I've had a lot more genuine love in my life, and many fewer things to regret. Life has also been more fun, don't you think? The obsessiveness comes with some pretty high costs. Glad you like the sketches! I think they're getting easier and freer. How about some new ones from you?

As somebody who feels clear on the idea that we don't do anything to earn our gifts, I agree that success is wrongly defined by our world--so much is, really.

But I don't think that I do agree with the slant in many of the comments: that is, I don't think an obsessive artist has to hurt or destroy those around him. I think it is possible to be another way--or to learn to be another way over time, given right thinking.

In fact, I believe that a stance of humility before one's art--the tradition, the works of human hands now gone, the beauty of forms--ought to lead one in the direction of love.

Marly, thanks for that. Maybe we need to define what we mean here by "obsessiveness" -- and who better than you to talk about this issue, as a prolific author who is also a devoted mother and wife? What I meant by the word "obsessive" in terms of Picasso, and some other equally-driven creatives I've known, is a statement I heard one of them make once: "My wife and children are very nice, I'm glad I've had them, but my work has always come first." I knew that wife and children and knew how they had suffered from his neglect and lack of genuine interest in their lives; if he had been more honest he would have said "my wife and children have been useful." I don't mean to turn this into a feminist issue, but I wonder how many female artists or writers would say something like that? It's more likely that they would not have married and had children at all. And a lot of us --male and female -- have had to juggle other types of employment with our desire to create, as well as our families. It gets complicated.

Having said that, I agree so much with what you said about where "right thinking" and humility can lead us, and thank you for saying it here!

Well, certainly I would not have said it! Life comes first. One's spouse and children are part of the great stream of life; to reject them must be to diminish one's achievement as a human being because it means rejecting a major part of life. That man would have been a greater man and, I like to think, a greater artist if he had attempted to find a balance.

I've done a lot of writing with three children whizzing around me or playing on the floor nearby... I have to admit that I am obsessive, but I'm also lucky in one other odd way, very helpful to a woman. I am able to concentrate deeply, even in the presence of others (if they don't go wholly berserk!), and I can leave something I'm working on and go back to it and immerse myself quickly. This (or is that two things?) is helpful.

And then I have a husband who is a very fine cook! To be relieved of dinner is a grand thing for a writer. Making things takes a good deal of time, it seems.

Thanks, Marly -- and I think that your ability to concentrate is not only lucky, but rare. So many of us are always seeking solitude, quiet, that "room of one's own." It's a lot easier for me to draw when other people are around than it is for me to write. The sound of language - in the form of voices or even vocal music - divides my mind when it's also occupied with words and it's really really hard for me to block it out. Were you able to study in a noisy dorm? I bet you were one of those who could!

I agree with both Marly and you Beth, but I think that painters (or other visual artists) have a somewhat different problem to writers. The necessity for physical space, materials and at least some degree of privacy means that a visual artist is going to need more time/space away from family and/or other distractions than a writer. So for a female visual artist who is married and/or has young children it is extremely difficult to find that time/space, unless she's able to afford home help and/or has a partner who looks after that side of things. My first art teacher, at 16, advised me never to marry if I wanted to pursue painting.
I know that some very productive women visual artists have been able to manage both, but they are the exception. There's another factor too: the ego-driven 'obsessive' focus (I don't mean it in a negative sense) which says "my work comes first" is found much more often in the male rather than in the female and, in my opinion, that's not only because of cultural conditioning etc.
The article I edited for The Guardian in 2008 about women artists is about this subject. Some might like to look it up:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/jun/18/women.healthandwellbeing

Very interesting discussion -- especially hearing how Marly manages it, which has always puzzled me.

I think of success very much the same way I think about any other calamity: as something to be avoided at all costs. I write, blog, etc. because they are pleasurable activities.

"What is Success?" I am not sure that I know what it is...but I know what it is not. Success is not status, material wealth, or accolades.

Maybe success is simply knowing who you are and being ok with that.

So many interesting and thought-provoking ideas here, both in post and comments. I just embarked on a comment which became so lengthy it was in danger of turning into an essay, so I've cut it out and will paste it somewhere to ruminate on further, which is probably an indication of how disorganised I am about my creative energies!

I do envy Marly her ability to focus and refocus quickly...

People are so different with such varied talents and approaches to creative activity. I am certain that Picasso was endowed with phenomenal ability, and as Natalie says, was obsessed with the desire to paint and draw. I find as I age that I am more realistic about my own talents and work ethic. I am sure that with more effort, thought and application I could have done better. On the other hand, I see that my ability has definite limits. I could never have written as well as, just for example, E.B White, or even many of the people whose blogs I read. I could never have made etchings as good as, just for example, Jim Dine. I envy you, Beth, your ability to knock off a quick, evocative sketch. I admire the fact that you are proficient at music as well as writing and drawing. I am not as smart as my parents (but a lot smarter than my sister.) Some of my own children have more talent and are cleverer than I. I find I can live with this knowledge.

Note: I find it interesting that 2 of the blogs I read are friends with the author of Open City. I think this means that I should buy the book and read it.

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Here via Lucy, who pointed me to your post after reading something over at my place (is a blog a place?).

Thankyou for this. Your inspirational words have wandered through my head all morning.

My 'drive' has slunk away right now and my 'focus' went out the door to join it! I am blaming the hot australian summer. As for 'success', that to me, is getting a work finished...

Beth, I can't possibly remember all the way back to a dorm!

Dave is funny on success! Run away! But I am surprised to find that I puzzled him...

Natalie's point: well, I do know women who chose not to marry because of writing or because of painting. I also have a painter friend whose husband was agreeable to the idea that they not have children. And I would say that he is a true helpmeet who gives his wife a lot of assistance when he is home plus leaves her alone a good deal because of his work. Mine certainly helps me by taking away cooking duties most evenings.

And that business of focus Lucy mentions: I don't know how that is. I didn't realize that it was something I had that was different for a long time.

You evoked a lot of interesting comments.

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